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Title : Insights into New Economy Model (Lakshan)
Author: Lakshan Bandara
Lakshan Bandara

Last Modified Date: 2020-07-29
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Article Code: 114
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Following is a Whatsapp chat.
25-July-2020


Lakshan:

Searching for the Leader
https://www.intellectforum.com/MySuggestion.php?ArtCode=113


Nuwan:

Ultimately you want an economy which gives the profit back to the society. However, that's the same as running a non-profit organisation. Hence, the motivation is not there. Because the motivation is there as long as the profit is there. If they have to share the profit back then that means there's no profit at all. So, the non-profit organisation policies apply. That's basically the same as running a volunteer organisation.

So, volunteer-based new social & economic structure is what you are ultimately proposing but I guess you don't understand it, yet.

However, human nature is that they are inherently different.

Such a system won't survive for long. Like communism, that system will sooner or later fail due to intrinsic greed of some humans.

As I always tell you, there's no solution & none will last long. It's just you're afraid to accept it. You aren't ready to give up. So, have it your way. Try your best to come up with a solution but ultimately you'll realise that what I just told you is the truth.

Prove me wrong.

And that explanation is the same reason for why you cannot find the leader you're looking for.


Lakshan:

Nuwan, read the article carefully. Suggestion is not non-profit organisation. It's about reinvesting a portion of profits. Can you please describe the policies you mentioned?


Nuwan:

What I'm saying is reinvesting profits like a "dansal" is the same as not earning it.

For example, if a company earns 10% as the profit and reinvests 50% of it, that's the same as earning 5% from the first place. They could easily keep a less profit margin than reinvesting a portion of it.

Instead of reinvesting they can reduce the profit margin. That gives the same effect as you describe.

That's why I said, if they reduce it upto 0% profit margin, that's the same as running a non-profit organisation.


Lakshan:

No.



Nuwan:

Then I didn't understand what you were trying to say in that article.


Lakshan:

It's a sustainable ecosystem economy.


Nuwan:

By reinvesting profit (means losing the profit one already earned), isn't it?


Lakshan:

No. He owns the capital of his investment.


Nuwan:

Okay, did that involve giving back the profit or not?

As I remember your article mentions giving back profit.


Lakshan:

Think it this way. Instead of giving money as a loan, you invest.


Nuwan:

What do you mean by invest? Because investment gives back a profit again.


Lakshan:

The profits are shared in proportion to the contribution.


Nuwan:

Yes, that's the same as profit sharing.

That's giving back profit. Not investing.


Lakshan:

Sharing economy.


Nuwan:

That's what wages are for, giving the wage based on the contribution. If you add profit sharing on top of it then that means giving back profit. That's the same as not earning a profit.


Lakshan:

No wages.
It's a new concept.
There are rich people and no poor people.


Nuwan:

That's impossible because rich & poor are realtive.

Even in a total equal society earning one penny less means that person is poor.


Lakshan:

Nuwan, you need to be open for a new concept.

In this new economy we build more wealth.


Nuwan:

I am open for new concepts but your concept doesn't make sense or I don't understand it. Care to explain?


Lakshan:

1. Rich invest instead of capital stagnate or waste

2. Entrepreneur theory

3. Government cordination

Consider the model.
See picture.

We are not sharing starvation.
We share food.

Read it carefully.
This concept is new to the world.


Nuwan:

Yes, but to produce food people have to work. Working people should get paid (as long as money is a concern). But if sharing food means giving it for free then work too has to be free isn't it? Otherwise, it isn't sustainable.


Lakshan:

Yes. When there's more investment, there's more production and more opportunities to work.


Nuwan:

You aren't trying to bypass money. Your new concepts also build upon the old concept of money. So, there's nothing new that hasn't been tested, is there?

Isn't this what's already happening?


Lakshan:

Money is not wealth. Money is a measurement. We manipulate it.
We need food, not money.
Money can be printed.


Nuwan:

I agree but your solution doesn't eliminate money from the picture. You still use money to propose the new system.

You aren't proposing a bartering system either.


Lakshan:

We use money.
The key here is, we build more wealth.


Nuwan:

That's why it's confusing.

I'm asking you, how?

How you build more wealth without using money that already exists?


Lakshan:

Not bartering.
I proposed a new money system as well for local trade.


Nuwan:

I'm sorry I don't understand it. Hope you have a clear idea on your mind.

Maybe you aren't articulating it well.


Lakshan:

Nuwan, i suggest please read the article to get the big picture.


Nuwan:

If you know what you say & if it's practical then fine. However, I my scepticism still stands.


Lakshan:

I will answer all your questions.

This is very important to our country.

We need to be on the same page.


Nuwan:

Think global, not just our country. You cannot make a whole new subsystem to survive in a capitalist global market.

I'll read it again but not now.

I already raised my concerns.


Lakshan:

Marx suggested to fight and get wealth from capitalists. That's fail.

My suggestion is to work with capitalists.


Nuwan:

Isn't that we all do right now?


Lakshan:

No. There's a big separation in wealth. Unemployment.

Government do not know the priorities.

New model is a win win for all.


Nuwan:

Think again, I was like you, there's always a loophole, there's always the human element.

I'll read it again later.


Lakshan:

Please read this article as well to get the objectives.
It considers satisfaction, the human element.

EcoSystem Design
https://www.intellectforum.com/MySuggestion.php?ArtCode=105


Nuwan:

👍



Nuwan:

Then what about hospitals you were talking about?

Those are free services which doesn't generate income.

What about education?

What about criminal & justice system?

What about the government itself?

What about all public services?

I read it but trust me it doesn't work.

Make a practical model & show me. Then we'll discuss.


Lakshan:

They are part of the ecosystem.


Nuwan:

Yes, but they need investments but doesn't retuen anything at all.

Hence, they aren't income generating assets.


Lakshan:

Health, education, governance, etc contribute back to the economy. That's the big picture.


Nuwan:

If you are thinking of sharing the final product for free then how can you pay for the workers?

But runs on investments, isn't it?


Lakshan:

Yes. We are used to think biased. That's why we made ad hoc decisions and crashed the system.

You need to consider the big picture.

Total outcome is profit.


Nuwan:

But that total outcome has nothing tangible to reinvest when speaking about public spending

So, how would you sustain the reinvestment cycle.


Lakshan:

The nature and human satisfaction benefit.


Nuwan:

You need more money than you earn to keep it going.

Also, your theory is based on ideology that everyone must accept it.

The society itself must change to accept it.

But why would they?


Lakshan:

No. It's not about money as i said earlier.

We generate more wealth. More production.


Nuwan:

Why would the already rich should give in to this?

So, there's no money. Is that what you're saying?


Lakshan:

Do you know the difference between money and wealth?
I already explained.


Nuwan:

You're trying to change the world/country/society in a way to benefit yourself. That's a big "IF". Might never happen.

But your explanation still uses money to build wealth.

As long as you do that money is also part of wealth.


Lakshan:

Yes money is a measurement.
Measurement of wealth.

Nuwan let me ask you a question


Nuwan:

You'll ultimately understand the uselessness someday. When you do you'll stop trying to change the world. Till then keep going.

Good night.



Nuwan:

Go ahead.

You're playing with words, I'm talking about numbers.



Lakshan:

In current system, do you think
1. nature is protected
2. There's human satisfaction?


Nuwan:

Not fully, not in yours as well.

As long as those numbers can make something happen, those numbers are part of wealth.


Lakshan:

No. Money is manipulated. That's why you find inflation.


Nuwan:

You're doing a word play but reality is that's how it is. You cannot do anything as long as money exists.


Lakshan:

Ok


Nuwan:

As long as money has a driving force people have to work even they don't want to.

So, human satisfaction is not there as long as that's how things are.


Lakshan:

There's no point in explaining if you already have concluded.


Nuwan:

Yup.


Lakshan:

Money is there in the article.


Nuwan:

Think two things about your model.
"Why people should accept it?" & "why people should work?".
You'll understand someday.
Also, think about what you do to people who doesn't accept it & doesn't want to work.
Then you'll clearly understand.


Lakshan:

People accept if they benefit.

People work because, to share wealth, first wealth must be produced.

Simple.
The model answers both your questions.


Nuwan:

Try selling that to already greedy citizens.


Lakshan:

Eveyone cannot see the big picture. Therefore, everyone will not accept. I know that.


Nuwan:

Then your model will fail even before implementing it. Unless you use force or violence to do so.

Can you understand now, what kind of majority you are dealing with?

You can come up with thousands of models but you can't eliminate the effects of ignorance & greed of the majority.

So, you'll fail miserably.


Lakshan:

No change is smooth.

If we continue the current system, we'll end up in hell.

I have confidence in my proposal.


Nuwan:

Can't do anything about it. Go to hell first and rise up from the ashes. That's how it's always been.

One has to fail in order to make way to something new.

And majority should accept they need a change.

That only happens when the majority is in hell.


Lakshan:

Fail is obvious.

Question is how to raise from ashes?


Nuwan:

You can't plan for it. That'll happen eventually.

Emergence.


Lakshan:

Do you suggest to let it happen?


Nuwan:

Yes.
Think about emergent systems.
Then you'll understand that's the only way.
Unless you can brainwash the majority to accept something.


Lakshan:

I'm sincere to the foolish people in my country.


Nuwan:

Can't do anything about it. Problem is ego, ignorance, greed and hatred.

You can't design a system to tackle those.

Those should be naturally tackled.

That's why there are cycles in civilisations.

Only those who can understand their own ego, ignorance, greed & hatred will understand it beforehand.


Lakshan:

I contribute my thoughts sincerely. If they reject, that's their decision .


Nuwan:

Others will understand it when it's too late & when natural way is forcing them to shred their weaknesses.

That's what I said. Say & Write but that's all you can do.

Other than being an example, there's nothing you can do.


Lakshan:

Let's see. We must sleep now.

System structural change is more than being an example.


Nuwan:

නිස්සරණය. You'll get it someday. When it comes to social reform it's almost obvious. 👍


Lakshan:

Thank you.
Good night

I'm not attached to what i do.
No feelings.


Nuwan:

We all have to burst the bubble we live in and embrace the truth.

Someday...


Lakshan:

I do my moral duty. Take it or leave it is not up to me.

Sri Lanka must be redesigned. Else, fail.


Nuwan:

It's not your duty. It's not anyone's duty. A country is a convention. All countries rise & fail someday.

From space, no one can see countries, property margins or any other divisions.


Lakshan:

My moral duty for my fellow people, specially the young generation.
I can accept fail.
I'm used to it.

I don't think selfish like current political leaders.


Nuwan:

Your people? "my people"? Aren't others not yours to think of?

There's no "my people" & "not my people". All are people.

Think of whole humanity.

Read that universal ideology article I sent you.

If you have a duty that duty is for all conscious sentient beings or better yet to the whole universe itself.

Not for a mere narrow division in humanity.


Lakshan:

Yes.

Don't you know, i'm a sovereign in Sri Lanka?

Well, no joke.
If Sri Lanka fail, everyone will suffer in big time.

I personally have no problem because i plan to suicide.


Nuwan:

If you have no problem then embrace the universal ideology. Not a national ideology.


Lakshan:

I refer to Sri Lanka as a country, not as a fictional nation.


Nuwan:

What's the difference between the definitions of a country & a nation?


Lakshan:

Nationalism is like racism. Hitler's Natzi means national. It's a fictional society.

In a country people with flesh and blood live as a community.


Nuwan:

I don't get the difference.

Anyway, if you are truly sovereign then you should be sovereign in every where in this universe.

If your sovereignty depends on something then it'll only last as long as what you depend on lasts.


Lakshan:

I'm a people of this world.
Yes.

By convention, people born in this land own it.

Sovereign people of Sri Lanka


Nuwan:

Sovereign ≈ Autonomous, independent, self governing, free.

Now, does your sovereignty depend on your country?


Lakshan:

Your definition is not complete.

Sovereign is about rights.

Sovereign means a king.

I have rights for my country.


Nuwan:

Oh, are you a king? Otherwise you don't have all the rights even in this country.

Rights are based on an social agreement. We call it the constitution.

All countries have one. AFAIK.

AFAIK = as far as I know

I meant every country has one of its own.


Lakshan:

No.
Constitution gives privileges, labelled as rights.


Nuwan:

What else do you think as rights?

Who gives you the other rights which aren't in the constitution?


Lakshan:

God. The law we use is based on western thinking.


Nuwan:

Are you contradicting with yourself?

Then what kind of rights you have in this country?

And who gave you those?


Lakshan:

Anything i claim is my right.


Nuwan:

What you can claim is protected by constitution. You cannot claim anything you want.


Lakshan:

No.


Nuwan:

Yes.
You can say nothing as yours. Nothing is yours to begin with. Not even your body.


Lakshan:

Constitution is a fictional story on paper.

It cannot give my rights.


Nuwan:

That's the only thing that gives you rights


Lakshan:

Read article 3 of constitution


Nuwan:

Nothing else give you any "rights".
"rights" are delusions.
There's no "right".
Can you claim another life as yours?
What rights you have to do so?
Isn't that life has its own rights?


Lakshan:

I don't like to say this,
You need to learn law.


Nuwan:

Law is based on constitution.

How can you talk about law without a constitution.


Lakshan:

Trust me. I know what i say.

Please read article 3 of the constitution.

3. In the Republic of Sri Lanka sovereignty is in the People and is inalienable. Sovereignty includes the powers of government, fundamental rights and the franchise.

3. ශ්‍රී ලංකා ජනරජයේ පරමාධිපතය ජනතාව කෙරෙහි පිහිටා ඇත්තේ ය. පරමාධිපත්යය අත්හළ නොහැක්කේ ය. පරමාධිපත්යයට පාලන බලතල, මූලික අයිතිවාසිකම් සහ ඡන්ද බලය ද ඇතුලත් වන්නේ ය.


Nuwan:

So?
It says people, not you.
You are just one.
But only the majority matters in a democracy.


Lakshan:

I am a people.


Nuwan:

You are one of the people.


Lakshan:

It is a republic not a democracy


Nuwan:

You can do nothing alone.

It's a Democratic Socialist Republic.

You alone can do nothing.

At least nothing important, without a majority's will.


Lakshan:

Nuwan, you are arguing on law.

But, you are not aware atleaset about the constitution.


Nuwan:

Then show me your right by implementing your ideology in Sri Lanka.


Lakshan:

5. ශ්‍රී ලංකා ජනරජයට ...

6. ශ්‍රී ලංකා ජනරජයේ ...


Nuwan:

Even an attempted suicide is a crime. You even don't have that right in Sri Lanka.


Lakshan:

That's what you're taught by education, adults and media .


Nuwan:

ශ්‍රී ලංකා ප්‍රජාතාන්ත්‍රික සමාජවාදී ජනරජය


Lakshan:

It's a label.

Don't judge a book by the cover. Read the content.

Introduction to Free Prisoner serving Life Sentence or Death Penalty

https://www.intellectforum.com/MySuggestion.php?ArtCode=94

Did you read my article.?


Nuwan:

No
I haven't read it


Lakshan:

I'm trying to contact a prisoner serving death sentence like Duminda Silva.

I can free him.
I know common law.
It is the law of kings.


Nuwan:

Am I reading the same constitution as yours?
I don't think so.

Majority will is what matters.

I hope you know what you're doing.

Try ruling the country from today onwards. Implement your system in this country.

You can't do that because you are just a single citizen.


Lakshan:

What constitution do you read?


Nuwan:

You need the support of a majority

2015 with 19th ammendment.


Lakshan:

Yes it's in internet. Same.

Constitution of Sri Lanka
https://www.parliament.lk/files/pdf/constitution.pdf

ශ්‍රී ලංකා ව්‍යවස්ථාව
https://www.parliament.lk/files/pdf/constitution-si.pdf


Nuwan:

Try reading the first article of the constitution.

So, still it's a Democratic Socialist Republic.


Lakshan:

It's a republic with democratic and socialist features.

Do you know the difference between democracy and republic?


Nuwan:

Care to explain


Lakshan:

Dangerous Democracy
https://www.intellectforum.com/MySuggestion.php?ArtCode=71

Read it


Nuwan:

What? Both are by elected representatives.
Elected.
ජන මතය. බහුතර මතය.
Majority's choice.


Lakshan:

Read it.


Nuwan:

Hence, democratic in front of Republic.

I can't now.

I don't have to read it to understand definitions of two words. I have a dictionary.


Lakshan:

Baseless arguments without knowledge.

Refer a law dictionary like black's law.


Nuwan:

Whatever. You aren't people. You are just a one citizen. One Person within people.

That's why you can't do anything you want.

That's why you can't have rights beyond constitution.

That's why your rights are a mere delusion based on a social contract.

What you think of sovereignty is a limited narrow one.


Lakshan:


Nuwan, i don't want to put you down.

Law is not a joke my friend.


Nuwan:

Otherwise you wouldn't waste time trying tonwrite your articles. You would have implemented them all by now.

Not a joke as long the agreement stands.

It's a social agreement between people.

That isn't universal.

The soon agreement fails, there is no law.


Lakshan:

I sincerely suggest you to learn law.


Nuwan:

Your rights are given to you by other people who accepts the same. When no one but you accepts it, you have no right at all.

I hope you get it.

So, your sovereignty depends on others as long as they accept it.

Your sovereignty itself is not independent. So, how can you say you're sovereign.


Lakshan:

I said western thinking


Nuwan:

I said the truth about your delusion.


Lakshan:

You confirmed what i said.


Nuwan:

Then fine.

I thought we contradicted each other.


Lakshan:

Western thinking is convention.


Nuwan:

I didn't get it.
Let's stop here.
I got to go now.


Lakshan:

Western thinking is convention, the law we use.

Ok good morning


Nuwan:

Everything is convention. Every human construct is.

You too.

Even language itself is a convention.


Nuwan:

https://youtu.be/_AG-n6KssWw

Take what you can out of this.

This explains what I said in a clearer way.


Lakshan:

Thank you.



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